Friends New Leos need help Morphing

Hey guys my buddy just got these 2 leo's off craigslist and im pretty sure i got the morphs right but i need a few more opinions
First up im pretty sure she is a SHTB but her tail has a wierd pink pigment to it. I think its from a recent bad shed as the ppl they got them from had no shed boxes for them but maybe im wrong about that.




Next is i think she is a normal but he says that she isnt very yellow. He says she looks like its really pale yellow banding. I dont know the distinguishing features that make a mack snow a mack snow so i think she is just a normal.



Thanks everyone

I'm leaning more towards a Murphy patternless for the first one.
Second one, you have to assume its a normal unless you do testing breeding.

Is the normal one's eyes OK? They kinda look swollen, or maybe its the angle?

I'd say the first one is a Super Hypo, Murphy's tend to have a cleaner pinker tail

so for morph newbies shtb means super hypo tangerine baldy am i correct

yea thats correct pete

@kathryn the eyes maybe a bit swollen from a bad shed. The people they got them from didnt have moist hides for them

It looks they've had plenty of bad sheds and weren't properly heated either. My rescue, Precious, had that same look about her when we first got her. With proper heat, a good humid hide, and proper food they'll perk up in color and successful sheds will also help out.

Yea i told them that and they have them properly setup now

The first one is a patternless, the slight "speckling" can happen if they darken up. The second one is probably a normal, but could potentially be a snow.