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Post by Kodieh Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:26 pm

The previous owner obviously did not give this little thing proper supplements. It was only his innocent ignorance that led to the poor condition of this gecko. He responsibility contacted me via a craigslist post I made in my college town about kids buying herp's on a whim and not caring for them when the semester ends.

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Post by Kouneli Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:50 pm

The poor thing! Glad it's in a good home now, but unfortunately the damage cannot be undone.

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Post by Kodieh Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:04 pm

I disagree that the damage cannot be undone. We'll take great care with her, and assist in the re-hardening of her bones. She's already taken down a good amount of critical care formula high in fat, proteins, and calcium, and with consistent feeding (She eats well from what I can tell, her previous enclosure had many well formed urates and feces in it) she'll be as right as rain as she can!

We have named her Precious, our special needs gecko, because my wife is going to school to be a special education teacher! thumbs up
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Post by LeopardGex Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:36 pm

She can recover but it will be a hard thing to do. I beleive you can do it. (IDK if ya'll are christians) Il keep her in my prayers. With god anything can be done. Smile Shes cute though the last picture, she is pulling of a smile regarding her pain.
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Post by kathstew Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:33 am

Aw, poor thing! Good for you for getting her! I hope she can recover.
Is it MBD she has, do you think?
She's very pretty though, reminds me of my Fey. I'm sure has she gets healthier she will also color up a fair bit.
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Post by Kodieh Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:47 am

Yes, I'm fairly certain it's MBD but I'm highly optimistic because she seems to be eating. Like I said, she took down a healthy amount of high calcium, fat, and protein liquid; so hopefully she's already on the mend.

I'm taking opinions on morph as well, I have a feeling she's a hypo tangerine. Smile
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Post by samsleopardgeckos Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:59 am

awwwww bless her, use UVB 5% light daily for a hour as this will help her harden her bones Smile also you could get some zolcal-d liquid calcium with vitamin d3 which you can either give by syringe or in her water Smile
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Post by Kodieh Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:13 am

I've got a UVB 5% for my anole that I'm going to ration for her an hour a day, along with the crit-care formula. thumbs up
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Post by Kermit Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:39 am

Make sure to remove her hides when you do the uv therapy so she can't hide from it. Thanks for suggesting that sam, I was going to if no one else did. Remember to do the supplements regularly and not overloading her straight away as her body is going to need to readapt to absorbing them, as much as you want to load them up to get her better fast, take it slow, build up to a higher regimen gradually or you could risk pseudogout if you over do it straight away. Looking at her feetit appears she may already have some gout going on, the swollen look is usually indicitive of gout, but hopefully those go away with proper suppliment therapy. Even if it is mbd, her jaw still looks nice and strong, its not all droopy and misaligned so that's good. You might want to get a fecal done to make sure there's nothing else going on. Good luck with her, please keep us updated... good save thumbs up 2


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Post by LeopardGex Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:43 am

Also try to put the liight up higher or put her in a small tank so that the UVB covers the whole are she will be in so she has to be in it.
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Post by Karagain Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:52 am

Hope she recovers ok Sad poor thing!!! I've been talking to quite alot Of customers recently and they are trying to sell their beardies etc cosctheir kid have gotten bored of them or bought it on a whim and can't look after them. It's so sad Sad
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Post by LeopardGex Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:12 pm

I just looked something up to help with MBD it is Repashy Calium Plus. I use it and it contains helpfull vitamins and minerals. It can be bought from gecko ranch. Just google it.
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Post by Kodieh Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:20 pm

I thank your input LeopardGex, but I have my own supplements I use.

I picked up a liquid calcium supplement that I'm going to slowly add to the crit-care formula, to build up. I've got her in a 12 qt tub, which will be tight enough for the UVB to catch her without any furniture.
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Post by Kermit Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:59 pm

Don't forget the uv bulb should be 12 inches above her, too close and you risk damaging her skin, too far away and it'll be ineffective. Remember leos are super sensitive to uv and their skin isn't designed to tolerate high doses of it.
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Post by Kouneli Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:43 pm

I've always heard that the physical effects of MBD couldn't be reversed...except to strengthen the bones. Isn't she always going to have the curved spine and legs? Maybe I'm thinking of another reptile....though I thought it was with all reptiles.

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Post by Kermit Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:51 pm

Mbd can't be "cured", once a herp suffers mbd they will always be more succeptable to it than an animal that has never experienced it, but a lot of the damage can be reversed to a degree. There may still be some visable abnormalaties, but the majority of the leg bowing and crookedness should right itself as the bones strengthen and calcify.
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Post by smsararas2 Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:04 pm

It does depend upon the level of damage. I have one that is paralyzed in the back because of MBD and that has not reversed itself. There was too much damage to her spine. On the other hand I have another that could not walk because the legs were so bowed and now it is as healthy as any of my other lizards. And yes I considered culling the paralyzed one but she eats well and her favorite thing is to just sit on the table beside me while I am doing my log book for the night. She is like a silent little friend that just likes to hang out. The ONLY thing wrong with her is she drags her back end Smile
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Post by LeopardGex Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:09 pm

I think that the whole MBD nbeing cured topic is not really pluasable, everyone knows it can't be cured but geckos ca recover well. The thing about the paralization do to spine damage is that gecko is healthy now. She is paralizided so that can't be fixed but, everything is fine now. MBD is a serius ddisease and should not be taken lightly, but with determination geckos can recover.
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Post by Kodieh Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:50 am

We're taking every precaution so that we don't accidentally fracture any limbs while trying to feed or clean her. So far, she isn't too jumpy so we haven't had too many problems about that. Hopefully with this intake of calcium it'll be a quick turnaround for her. Smile
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Post by LeopardGex Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:04 am

Quick turn arounds are always est but remember not to pump all the calcium and vitamins in her all at once.
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Post by Kermit Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:40 am

That's already been mentioned devin but thanks for reiterating it. I have every confidence kodie is right on track... he's a pretty smart cookie Wink

Jolene can you tell us approximately how long it took your mbd leos to recover/start showing some improvements?
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Post by Kodieh Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:58 am

I figured it would be at least a month of consistent calcium intake to begin to take effect. I am curious of your time lines too, Jolene! I imagine it's more case by case than anything. :thunbsup:
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Post by smsararas2 Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:00 am

Yes Kodie and Kermit, it did take a couple months before everything else with that leo was better, of course other then the paralysis. To me she made a quick recovery. I have a couple others that have MBD and they are still the same, but not getting any worse either. So, I would say that a couple months you can hopefully look back and see a NOTICEABLE difference. There are minor changes as time goes on but it was the big notice after a couple months.
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