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Post by Badasprog on Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:17 am

I have a leo called stevie, i've had him for about a month and since then ibe seen him eat two times.
His owner said he ate mealworms but he is completly unintrested in them, ive tried everything to get him to take one and it doesn't work, i then tried locust and the same happened then tried wax worms and again didnt care, yesterday we ended up force feeding him two wax worms, we did this by stroking the side of his mouth but once his realised what was happening he wouldnt open at all, he was housed with a female but she was beating him up so now he has a 3ft viv and was on sand but we changed it to extra fine sand, we spoke to his prev owners and they said to re create his old cage so now he is in a smaller tank with newspaper
He may have enigma, we not to sure, he star gazes and circles.. if that helps
any help will be appreichated i just want my gecko to be happy and eating Sad
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Re: Leo refusing to eat :(

Post by chris_street on Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:36 am

I had a new gecko a few months ago with similar problems, notice I said had... How long has he not ate for? What's the temps like in his new house? What's his poo like?

Sounds like he will be pretty stressed with all the moving as well from tank to tank and can't amagine he will be too happy about the force feeding as well.
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Re: Leo refusing to eat :(

Post by Kermit on Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:35 am

Sounds like you've made a lot of changes on this fella, before he's had a chance to accept any of them youre changing them again. Those things do sound like potential enigma syndrome which is exacerbated by stress. If you can post a good picture of him from above we can help id his morph. Did the previous owner tell you anything about his morph?

Leos can go for some time with out eating and be fine. The sand is definitely bad, even fine sand can cause impaction, and calci sand can not only encourage your leo to eat it but also can cause impaction regardless of what the package says. Also sand is not natural habitat for leos, they live in packed earth deserts in rocky craigs and crevasses, not in loose sand like the sahara. Making his viv like it was with the previous owner isn't going to make that much of a difference. Your home is different in smells, sounds, temperatures, humidity, etc. All of which will impact attitude. They know when they're in a strange environment.

Please fill out our care questionnaire so we can check youre husbandry to see if theres any husbandry issues that could be putting him off food. http://www.leopardgeckoforum.com/t134-please-read-and-fill-out-with-your-health-questions I would also suggest checking out the housing section stickies on making the perfect leo set up http://www.leopardgeckoforum.com/t166-proper-housing-for-leopard-geckos

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Re: Leo refusing to eat :(

Post by chris_street on Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:34 am

Not to get off the subject of your poorly Leo but does anyone know what causes enigma syndrome? Read a lot of theory's but no facts. Read a really interesting theory on the lack of Thiamine that could be causing them to have the issues and alagators with the same issue that has now been resolved...

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Re: Leo refusing to eat :(

Post by Badasprog on Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:10 am

has not eat for a month but had two wax worms two days ago, we are going to try again today, i did have him in the box that was ment to resemble his old home but he got out and went in his 3ft viv
temp is 85 and i cant remeber what his poo was like because he hasnt pooed in ages. i'm not changing his floor because my boyfriend has had leos for 9 years andf they were all on sand and none of them had a problem. If he got back in his normal cage then i assume i should leave him there as he preferes it?
i've heard that egnima syndrom is in there genes and some are milder than other and some can be serious, hopefully stevie hasnt got it that bad cause he only circles sometimes and doesn't fall or roll
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Re: Leo refusing to eat :(

Post by Badasprog on Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:16 am

Brilliant news i put a wax worm in front of him and he ate it by himself, has anyone got any tips to keep him eating? While i wrote this he ate another one Very Happy
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Re: Leo refusing to eat :(

Post by Mardy on Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:31 am

chris_street wrote:Not to get off the subject of your poorly Leo but does anyone know what causes enigma syndrome? Read a lot of theory's but no facts. Read a really interesting theory on the lack of Thiamine that could be causing them to have the issues and alagators with the same issue that has now been resolved...

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There's no cure to enigma syndrome, it's a neurological defect and the genes get passed down even if an enigma does not exhibit bad syndromes. Which means the offsprings could end up with severe enigma syndrome even if the parents "appear" healthy.

Enigma syndromes can range from spinning in circles, star gazing, laying upside down (which affects their breathing), bad aim when catching prey, inability to shed properly, to some harsher syndromes such as refusal to eat out of nowhere and fade away without you able to do anything about it. Enigma syndromes can be triggered by stress, shipping/moving, ovulation/breeding, or something as simple as bright light.

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Re: Leo refusing to eat :(

Post by Badasprog on Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:42 am

That is quiyr helpful for me, i think stevie was stressed ehich is why he wouldnt eat, i think he has the syndrome he star gazes spins and took a long time to shed, dyu think he has it?
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Re: Leo refusing to eat :(

Post by Mardy on Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:47 am

Badasprog wrote:has not eat for a month but had two wax worms two days ago, we are going to try again today, i did have him in the box that was ment to resemble his old home but he got out and went in his 3ft viv
temp is 85 and i cant remeber what his poo was like because he hasnt pooed in ages. i'm not changing his floor because my boyfriend has had leos for 9 years andf they were all on sand and none of them had a problem. If he got back in his normal cage then i assume i should leave him there as he preferes it?
i've heard that egnima syndrom is in there genes and some are milder than other and some can be serious, hopefully stevie hasnt got it that bad cause he only circles sometimes and doesn't fall or roll

85 is not hot enough, leopard geckos require 90-95 degrees on the floor of the terrarium to properly digest food. Not having optimal temperature could make your gecko become uninterested in food. So you will want to read up on proper husbandry to make sure everything is setup as well as they can be.

The sand debate is a whole other story. Yes some people have kept their leopard geckos on sand successfully, but impaction happens too often and they are still being reported, geckos still die from it. The question you want to ask yourself is, why take the risk when you don't need to? Sand is messy, dirty, do not distribute heat well, sand does not make good floors for leopard geckos to walk on, sand does not represent their natural environment as they live on solid grounds where they came from...and worst of all, sand inevitably get ingested and cause impaction issues. Removing sand is not going to cause him to stop eating, the stress of moving to a new environment is likely the cause. Also if he was housed with a female, when a male gets into the mood to breed, they will stop eating off and on. They'll stop eating even if you removed him and separated him from the females. It's completely normal as long as he does not have any rapid weight loss.

The best substrate for leopard geckos are tiles and paper towels, as they both are easy to clean and keep clean, zero impaction risk with tiles, and they provide solid grounds for your geckos to walk on.

If your gecko has enigma syndrome, he'll be like taking care of a special needs child. The stress of moving from tank to tank could cause an enigma to trigger some of the syndromes, like walking in circles, star gazing, refusal to eat, etc.. The best thing you can do is to get him settled in and leave him alone, and allow him to feel comfortable and safe. I would stay away from waxworms as that's not something you want to get him addicted on. Offer him a variety of feeders to find out what he prefers.

Also keep the tank well shaded as enigmas do not like bright light. It freaks them out and could trigger further enigma syndromes.

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Re: Leo refusing to eat :(

Post by Badasprog on Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:54 am

Thank you for the helpful info, i currently have him in a smaller box inside his 3ft tank to save electricty and he is on paper towels, he recently mated with my female so maybe that stopped him eating to? Ive left him alone with a nice shelter to hide in and he ate two wax worms and i understand not to get him hooked but he is so skinny and my bf said they provide good fat, dyu suggest any tasty foods he will like? My female has locust and meal worms.. he seems happier and when i come close to his viv he come out his hidy hole and wants to come and socialise, is that good?
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Re: Leo refusing to eat :(

Post by Mardy on Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:22 am

You could give superworms a try, they are also fatty but a bit more nutritious than waxworms. One will probably fill him up good as they are meatier. Make sure you dust your feeders with multivitamin powders.

If he's in a really bad shape, then better waxworms than nothing I suppose. If he won't eat anything else and he's already in a very bad shape, then go ahead and feed him waxworms to pack some weight on him.

By the way if a gecko's skinny and in bad shape, they should not be bred. Both males and females stop eating when they get into the mating mood. So you need to account for the lost weight when they do go off food. If a gecko's skinny or can't afford to lose 10-20g, then the gecko should not be bred at all.

Your temperature definitely needs to be higher, 85 won't be warm enough for him to digest food properly, and he probably would lose interest in food as well.

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Re: Leo refusing to eat :(

Post by Kermit on Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:29 am

Giving him wax worms to put weight on is like giving an anorexic twinkies to gain weight. It might put on weight but it'll be fat, not the proper muscle tone you want for a healthy leo. A well balanced diet with a variety of feeders would be best. Also you need temps of at least 32*c for proper digestion and regulation of their core temperature.

Just a word of advice... Just because someone has had leos for 9 years in sand with out an issue doesn't mean it is proper or healthy. I have seen people own leos for years and care for them improperly, that's not what we want for our leos. We want to provide a proper habitat that simulates their natural environment to the best of our abilities. Enigmas have a completely different set of needs than your average leos, different quarks, habits, stressors, just all around different. Also you shouldn't breed an enigma that is showing symptoms of enigma syndrome, all that does us pass along the problem into a whole new generation, and never breed enigma to enigma.

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Post by Badasprog on Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:39 am

We didnt realise he had enigma when he mated, and like ive said he is in a box with paper towels but he climbs out and goes on sand so if he preferes that ill let him stay on it, he is improving so ill take everones advice but play by ear to see how he goes
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Post by Mardy on Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:43 am

Badasprog wrote:We didnt realise he had enigma when he mated, and like ive said he is in a box with paper towels but he climbs out and goes on sand so if he preferes that ill let him stay on it, he is improving so ill take everones advice but play by ear to see how he goes

I don't think it's that he prefers sand, but it's more that he doesn't like to be in a small box. If you were to swap the sand out in the terrarium and place paper towels or tiles in there, he'll still want to climb out of the box.

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Post by Kermit on Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:34 am

He's also likelly trying to find a warmer spot than what he's getting in the box. Its your choice obviously but its not a healthy choice, its not natural, they aren't built for sand, looking at their foot structure will prove that, it dehydrates them, can irritate their skin and cause bad sheds, as well as impaction, plus it is unsanitary... but it is up to you... personally I think he's just choosing the lesser of 2 evils. You're asking for help and part of that help includes making sure you have a proper set up, which, I'm sorry to say, but at the moment ... you don't. You're not doing him any favors. Maybe check the show off your set up thread in the photo section and you could get some better ideas for your leo's set up. If you don't make some changes you're only going to exasorbate his issues.

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Post by Badasprog on Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:44 pm

i dont exactly have a lot of money due to having 4 horses to look after, but if i see he prefere and hangs about on the paper towels i'll invest in some better stuff, i want my viv to look nice and paper towels make it look like tramp city, ill look on that housing thing and see what theyve done, but stevie has started eating now so must me he is calming down and settling, so ill leave him alone for a while before i change the floor or i might have a dead lizard,,
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