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NOOOOOOO Dubia Roaches are illegal in my state.

Post by Dangle on Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:01 pm

So I was very excited to order Dubia roaches for my Leo until I found out they are illegal to purchase in Florida. Since they have the potential to breed here and become an invasive species my Leo will not be enjoying these little guys. So far I've only been feeding my Leo crickets and once a week waxworms.

I guess the next feeder on my list that I want to feed my baby leo is silkworms. What size is too big for him? I found an east coast worm guy who sells smalls but they are 1.5" to 2". Isn't that a little large for my 10 gram gecko? If they aren't too large how many should I be feeding my leo daily?


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Post by Mardy on Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:05 pm

L O L

When I read the threat title, I was like "Ahh must be a floridian" Very Happy

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Post by Kermit on Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:45 pm

Your leo can manage anything that its no bigger around than the space between his eyes so hopefully either the seller has life size images on their site or he can provide you with an estimate of how wide, not long, they are.

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Re: NOOOOOOO Dubia Roaches are illegal in my state.

Post by Dangle on Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:36 pm

http://coastalsilkworms.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=1_26&products_id=48

This is the site I'm looking on. If you guys recommend anything else on there let me know. Also if you weren't limited what would be your dream menu and schedule of feeding for your gecko?
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Post by Dangle on Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:37 pm

also I read it wrong it was 1.5-2 weeks old and 1/4-3/8 long.
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Post by Smiley on Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:16 pm

Silk worms are good, but i think for the price, phoenix worms would be better. You don't even have to dust them because they are high in calcium. I heard those are the best feeders but haven't gotten any myself yet. Anyone have more experience with those?
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Post by Mardy on Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:06 pm

Phoenix worms are good, but not all geckos like them. They are very active, and they turn into flies eventually (yuck). If you try them, try a small amount to see if your gecko will take them on first.

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Re: NOOOOOOO Dubia Roaches are illegal in my state.

Post by Dangle on Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:12 pm

I'm pretty sure my gecko will eat anything. He is an amazing eater. I downs his food immediately then stares at me wanting more. Should I only give him five crickets daily or give him whatever he wants until he no longer is hungry? The day after he got out and went for a stroll through my house I gave him eight wax worms to try and slow him down and all he did was lay down the next day in one spot looking sluggish. He's not fat by any means since he only weighs almost 10 grams and he's three inches long. Also he is a little over a month old.
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Post by Kermit on Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:14 am

Leos that age should be permitetd to eat as much as they want within reason meaning I wouldn't feed more than 10 pinhead crix, or 10 mealies (or similarly sized feeder). They say abby leo will only gorge to the point of regurge once or twice before they learn their limitbut he stress of regurge isn't something you want to put a juvie thru. My state of mind is always leave them a little hungry. It won't kill them and it keeps them enthusiastic about food.

My ideal schedule... eros only eats like 3 days a week so I like to do a higher protein feeder 1 week, a higer fat feeder, the next, an equally balanced feeder the next then feed what's left over the last week of the month. Naming specific feeders is difficult, you'd have to look at the nutritional values of feeders chart and see what's available in your area or what you can afford to have shipped in small quantities that'll keep well for a few weeks. Butterworms instead of waxies for the higher fat week, supers or roaches, maybe phoenix worms for the higher protein week, then maybe silkies for the equally balanced feeeder... id have to refresh myself with the chart to be certain and I can't get it up on my phone. Too many images takes forever to load. We use waxies, supers and butters. Between my local bait shop and pet shops I'm lucky to have a wide array of different unusual feeders available but they aren't always called by the same name as were familliar with, like they call waxies maggots at the bait shop.

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Post by Dangle on Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:36 pm

Money really isn't an issue for me but it seems availability is. So far I have found a site that sells silk worms and local reptile shops sell crickets, wax worms, mealworms, and superworms. Supers are obviously too big so they are out of the equation for the moment and I am undecided if I will feed mealworms to my gecko. I am trying to source pheonix worms since those look like a great food too. The reptile shop I get crickets from sells roaches but I forgot the name of them. I am going to find out tomorrow and see if my gecko could eat them. What is your reasoning behind a high protein week, high fat week, and a mix week besides variety? Since I feed daily I might do an every other day feeding. Would you say a gecko needs fatty foods? I would think with a high protein diet the need for fats isn't necessary unless you have one skinny leo. I read leo's develop protein bubbles but is that only in adults?
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Post by Kermit on Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:36 pm

You need an equitable mix of fats proteins and fiber to have a balanced diet which is why I mix it up fats feed certain muscle groups, proteins feed a different set of muscle groups and fiber aides in digestion and gi health. The body needs all 3 to maintain proper health, the trick is finding the balance. I'm by no means saying my way is best, its just what seems to work best for my leo. Feeding a variety during the same week would be fine as well as long as they get variety, its just hard to get some bugs to last more than a week for me.

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Post by Dangle on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:13 pm

So my local reptile shop sells silk worms and horned works. I'm gonna pick up some silk worms tomorrow and see how s/he likes them. Should I try the horned worms?
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Post by Kermit on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:50 pm

Horned worms can be rather large but if they're little I'd try a couple.

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Post by Dangle on Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:11 am

The horned worms I bought are as big as wax worms if not a tiny bit bigger. I fed him four yesterday with great success and he kept trying to get more out of me for the rest of the day. Funny little guy he is turning out to be.
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